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Thanks for including this, Francis. It is one of the issues which I have heard people raise recently, particularly in the light of the duty to cooperate to promote the wellbeing of a child being scrapped for all maintained schools and FE Colleges in the current Education Bill. There is a real chance of children falling through the net and it does raise the rather fundamental question of who has the ultimate responsibility for a child? Without the duty to cooperate (though I am sure that most academies absolutely would cooperate) it is really really rather worrying.
And what exactly is problematic with what Adrian says Old Andrew? I've been through several Ofsted inspections and know quite a few Ofsted inspectors. I'd generally confer with what Adrian says.
Andrew - whether you agreed or disagreed with Adrian's views on Ofsted inspections is irrelevant. Adrian is asking pertinent questions about what could happen when large numbers of schools have become academies. These questions will not go away because you feel you cannot take him seriously. Perhaps you can provide an answer to the questions (I list them in my post above) because I cannot.
The problem with what Adrian says is that it is so far at odds with experience that it makes teachers (i.e. people who teach in schools) laugh out loud and ask "who on earth are these people?"
And on what basis do you claim to represent so many teachers' views?
Oh for pity's sake. If you don't believe me go find a teachers' forum on the internet and repeat his claim that schools don't ever hide bad behaviour from OFSTED, and see what the reaction is. I'm guessing derision and disbelief are the most likely responses.
Adrian simply examines the likelihood of it taking place. He doesn't actually say it never takes place. He was just illustrating that it's not as widespread a practice as some like yourself might claim in your quest to prove that the whole of the state system is broken.
I'd much rather have an apology from you Old Andrew for insinuating that this practice is widespread. This view that you seem to hold suggests that teachers in general are dishonest and only interested in saving their own skin when it comes to facing the challenges that we know some teachers do face in schools where behaviour management has broken down. Your comments cast aspertions on the whole profession based upon your own experience. So don't be surprised if those who have had very different experiences feel the need to defend the profession in general. Bad practice goes on and is inexcusable in all professions/business/industry. That's no reason to bring the whole profession/industry/business down. Adrian has nothing to apologise for.
Look, if you want to operate this site as a denialist forum, where people maintain a completely different version of reality to that which teachers live in then that's up to you. There's plenty of places where people can find out about the reality. If Francis Gilbert plays a prominent role in this even though he's written several books that testify to the things you'd like to deny, that's also up to you. But don't be surprised if every so often a teacher pops up full of curiosity about just how dubious a claim has to be before you disown it, and just how ridiculous a person has to become before they stop being a standard bearer for your cause. Do none of you actually want teachers on your side?
What's being denied?
What's being denied is the behaviour problem in our schools.
I've not read anything on these forums that denies there is a behaviour problem in some schools. I've read stuff that would argue this behaviour problem is not as widespread as some people make out. I've also read stuff which has a tendency to generalise from evidence of poor behaviour to the whole system as if it's endemic throughout the the school system.
Andrew - I think you are putting words in Keith's mouth. He made the quite reasonable point that poor behaviour in schools is not permeating the whole system all of the time. You respond by making a generalisation: that this is a "denialist site" with a "denialist agenda" (whatever that is). No-one is saying there are no behaviour problems in schools - one can't be a teacher without having to deal with behavioural problems. But this is not what this thread is about. It is about the concerns expressed by Adrian about the consequences of academy conversion. Perhaps you could confine your comments to those concerns.
Andrew - the reference to the unknown blogger was my attempt at being polite. The unknown blogger is in fact you. I don't know who you are apart from a name, and that might not even be your own name. I don't know if you are a teacher as you say you are. Neither do you know whether I'm using a false name or a false persona. Therefore, I do not have to accept your opinion and you don't have to accept mine unless, of course, one or both of us backs up what we say with reliable evidence from a trustworthy source. Appealing to "most teachers" won't do.
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